Flower. I would certainly think it not appropriate to say anything at the moment. You are not settled down enough yourself yet, and now youre thinking of coming out in the open to your parents with Apostate notions?While youre living under their roof?
Its a bloody shame, I admit, that you cant even talk to your own family about what you are THINKING.But thats a cult for you.
Id be content to vent your opinions here for a time if I were you.
Get yourself sorted out before you try helping your folks.
Get yourself a place of your own, once you do that you can start planting little bombs in your parents minds.
This technique works. Every time they say something that gives you a lead in, you just plant a couple of thoughts, dont push it, let them lead, in time these thoughts you plant will bear fruit.
Flower, it might be a couple of years before the vine bears fruit.
Be prepared for a long war of attrition.
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What do I do?.......
by flower ini'm so upset the more i read and find out about the society.
its all hard to take for me but i'm accepting it more and more.
the problem i have is that i want so bad to tell my mom what i have found out.
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All this fighting is worthless
by Danni ini posted this same topic earlier but it didn't go through so i have to do it again.. i didn't think my ten questions would cause a person(youknow) to be attacked because his opinions was different from the majority.. alanf.
i don't know you personally and i don't know what you have gone through in your life, but i can say from what i have seen in here you have a lot of angry,hate, and other issues inside you that needs to be dealt with.
you oblivious have some sort of history with this man.
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To which, IslandW, I say, where does Christ say that one must become enslaved to any organization? An organization that insists upon absolute compliance with its Dictates.
This is not what Christ taught.
Any relationship with Christ must be a personal one, but the Organization takes focus off the individual relationship with Christ
putting Christ in a secondary position.
The Born Again movement is closer to the Truth than The Witnesses. Of that I am convinced. -
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All this fighting is worthless
by Danni ini posted this same topic earlier but it didn't go through so i have to do it again.. i didn't think my ten questions would cause a person(youknow) to be attacked because his opinions was different from the majority.. alanf.
i don't know you personally and i don't know what you have gone through in your life, but i can say from what i have seen in here you have a lot of angry,hate, and other issues inside you that needs to be dealt with.
you oblivious have some sort of history with this man.
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Great argument You Know.
Just one problem, I have heard Seventh Day Adventists, and Mormons use the same arguement to explain the activities of opposers.
Thus it does not explain the battle between light and dark,the great Universal "controversy" as Ellen G White called it, but is a convenient arguement used by Totalitarian churches to explain the activities of former members who now oppose.
If this proves we apostates here are of our father the Devil, then anyone who opposes any church he formerly was a member of is of the Devil. -
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All this fighting is worthless
by Danni ini posted this same topic earlier but it didn't go through so i have to do it again.. i didn't think my ten questions would cause a person(youknow) to be attacked because his opinions was different from the majority.. alanf.
i don't know you personally and i don't know what you have gone through in your life, but i can say from what i have seen in here you have a lot of angry,hate, and other issues inside you that needs to be dealt with.
you oblivious have some sort of history with this man.
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Dannii.
Dont be confused.
Everybody here is friends, basically, its all a game.
I wouldnt REALLY kick YouKnow off the board,I'll leave such unfairness
to his church.I only said that in case he was around, to provoke him. If You Know left...who would amuse us?
We would only have Fred.A grim thought indeed. -
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All this fighting is worthless
by Danni ini posted this same topic earlier but it didn't go through so i have to do it again.. i didn't think my ten questions would cause a person(youknow) to be attacked because his opinions was different from the majority.. alanf.
i don't know you personally and i don't know what you have gone through in your life, but i can say from what i have seen in here you have a lot of angry,hate, and other issues inside you that needs to be dealt with.
you oblivious have some sort of history with this man.
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Well the way I see it Fred:
The fluff posters dont think Im funny.
The Sex party brigade wont let me join in their festivities.
Maybe the Brain drains will let me hang out with them, if I suck up enough.
I want a catbox of my own, a ball of wool to call home.
You can understand that, cant you?7006. A "beast friend"?
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All this fighting is worthless
by Danni ini posted this same topic earlier but it didn't go through so i have to do it again.. i didn't think my ten questions would cause a person(youknow) to be attacked because his opinions was different from the majority.. alanf.
i don't know you personally and i don't know what you have gone through in your life, but i can say from what i have seen in here you have a lot of angry,hate, and other issues inside you that needs to be dealt with.
you oblivious have some sort of history with this man.
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Pusspuss.
I choose to kiss the collective ass of the site intellectuals....YOU are not one of them! -
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All this fighting is worthless
by Danni ini posted this same topic earlier but it didn't go through so i have to do it again.. i didn't think my ten questions would cause a person(youknow) to be attacked because his opinions was different from the majority.. alanf.
i don't know you personally and i don't know what you have gone through in your life, but i can say from what i have seen in here you have a lot of angry,hate, and other issues inside you that needs to be dealt with.
you oblivious have some sort of history with this man.
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7006s exposition was brilliant, I thought, amazing that he came up with such a great analogy so quickly.
Back to your kitty litter, cat.
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All this fighting is worthless
by Danni ini posted this same topic earlier but it didn't go through so i have to do it again.. i didn't think my ten questions would cause a person(youknow) to be attacked because his opinions was different from the majority.. alanf.
i don't know you personally and i don't know what you have gone through in your life, but i can say from what i have seen in here you have a lot of angry,hate, and other issues inside you that needs to be dealt with.
you oblivious have some sort of history with this man.
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refiners fire
Dannii.
You are very new here, I believe.
You Know and AlanF are jousting.It is all a kind of game.
You dont know AlanF from a bar of soap. He is the LAST person here that needs psychiatric care.Though there are many others who do. Especially YouKnow.
This is a web site, basically, constructed for people who have left, and many of whom OPPOSE, The Witness Church.This is our forum.
You Know is an INVADER here, a member in good standing with the church. (?) If I had my way, I would kick his ass out of here.
This is only fair, after all, when I try to go into the Witness sites, they wont even let me ENTER!
He comes here because he likes to argue and pontificate his opinions. He loves getting his teeth kicked in. If he didnt, he wouldnt come. -
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You Know a Spiritual Coward
by AlanF inhere is another unequivocal example of a claim of direct inspiration: in the olin moyle court case of 1943, fred franz said under oath that no man is the editor of the watchtower.
who, then, is the editor?
who became the editor?
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Wiz.
While I am no longer obsessed with past publishings of the WTBTS, they are very valid as reading materials. Until reading past publications of the WTBTS I personally believed every word the Watchtower ever uttered was God talking.I believe it true to say this is the same perception that the vast majority of active Witnesses hold. By reading the past, a pattern becomes clear. This pattern is that the Watchtower Org is determined to maintain that very opinion, that God is talking, within its members. At any cost it is most concerned to maintain the view in the members minds that it has never contradicted itself.
I have no personal doubt that the scripture foremost in the minds of the organizational heirachy whilst writing Watchtowers is not Matthew 24v 14, rather, the one that says
"With God there is neither variable nor shadow of turning."
This scripture is their bind. Noone really believes that a divine God reveals falsehood as truth. That God allows error to be published in his authority.
No True God would do that.Not really.
Such reasonings as that God allows erroneous predictions to be made in His authority are slippery excuses concocted by foolish people who have, stupidly, decieved themselves into believing that God is revealing future events to THEM personally.
Such blind foolishness. Such arrogance.
Their own writings, in the end catch them out.
Not one of their predictions ( and they ALL make them) ever comes true.
Later, like naughty children, they conceal the evidence of their error under the carpet.
Their old writings are what they conceal. -
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To Danni: ANSWERS TO YOUR QUESTIONS
by You Know inq 1: where does the bible say god's name is jehovah?
in all probability, the bible that you have does not have the name jehovah in it, anywhere.
we too have a fraternity, a brotherhood, gods family is what we are, and if anyone dishonors the congregation by conduct unbecoming a minister of god, shunning, or disfellowshipping as we call it, is gods means to deal with such ones.. q 7: how can a person isolate themselves if you chose to knock on peoples doors outside your religion?
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HAhaHAHAAA.
Sucked you in you sucker.
Your own precious little ego got you didnt it? Just had to respond didnt you?
And after you had indicated the conversation was over. Oh man. What a Sap!
What are you going to do now sap? Youre starting to look pretty stupid here.